Shawn Ryan

This is the problem that we have, being partnered with someone who has different values than we do.

Look, the Israelis believe this is existential.

The Israelis, we've seen what the Israelis, what they did in Gaza.

Like, they have a different- They have a whole different way of fighting wars than we do.

They fight total war.

They fight very, very biblical wars.

We do not.

Precisely.

Like, we...

That's not in our interest, because at the end of the day, like, if you're going to do that, then you're gonna occupy the land, you're gonna fully take the land.

We're not gonna do that.

We've never been a very good occupying army.

America has not been a good occupying army.

I don't think Americans have the colonial mentality.

I don't think we have the total war mentality.

I'm glad that we don't.

However, if we're going to be, again, it goes back to, are we going to be partnering with the Israelis and attempt to pretend that we can have a different strategic goal, but then also a different appetite for how war is conducted?

Like at some point we should just say, there's certain things we can partner with the Israelis on, like limited strike counterterrorism operations.

Absolutely.

But when it comes to fighting,