Shawn Ryan

And then you see these people building kit planes, super cool at these air shows.

When you're putting it together, they're like, oh, one day you're gonna be building the Boeing.

I'm like, ah, I don't wanna do that.

And so it was just more of like a, someone says you can do it, and then my dad's like, yeah, you can do it.

And then we see how you can do it.

Or then someone's saying you will be doing it, and you're like, no, I don't want to do it.

And so then you pivot.

And so that's how I accidentally pivoted into physics later, like we can get to, because I was like, ah, it's not as cool if you're not actually like, you know, the designs aren't really changing, and you're not like...

I mean, it was somehow more fun to have something where you do straightforward work.

Somebody else kind of told you the steps for you modifying it or fine like that.

But then you have a product that you built versus when you're just engineering something a little, it's like a little too theoretical.

I might've out go the whole other extreme of purely theory, which was maybe a bad choice, but it kind of.

Yeah, so funny story.

So basically I think the first hint at it was the high school I went to, this math and science school,

Like all of the, like a large fraction of the faculty had PhDs.

And so I didn't grow up with people who had PhDs.

I mean, my parents both had like, you know, they're lawyers.

So they went to like, you know, state schools for that.

But suddenly now all of your peers think they have to get a PhD to be cool.

So that's a weird thing.