Shonda Rhimes

And she really gave me like a lecture and then kind of said, you never say yes to anything.

And it stuck with me.

Those words just stuck with me for a while as being really true.

And the more and more I thought about it, the more true it was and the more clear it was that she was right.

I wasn't saying yes to anything.

What does that mean?

To me, it felt like I had absolutely nothing to lose.

Like where I was already was completely unsatisfying.

I was already miserable.

And what were you miserable?

Or like, what was it?

I knew that it wasn't supposed to be this.

I tell a story in the book where I talk about, I was, I became a member of the board of the Kennedy Center back in the Obama administration.

And I arrived for like the first big event.

And they informed me that I was sitting with the president, the first lady who I'd never met.

And I remember panicking on all levels and then going and having an amazing time and then realizing if they had asked me, not told me, but if they'd asked me if I'd wanted to sit with the president and first lady, I would have absolutely said no.

Like the panic, the stress of the idea would have been too great for me to actually say yes for myself.

I only did it because they said that was what was happening and I couldn't really say no to that.

Like there they are, we're going.

Yeah, this is what's happening.