Sian Murray

I think, honestly, now looking back, I think we left it to, like, we pushed on for too long.

Like, the signs were there that it wasn't working.

But at the same time, the way we did it meant that we were able to close down the business without, and paying off all our debts and stuff like that.

Like, that was huge.

That was something that was really worrying me.

So I'm really proud of how we managed that.

And a lot of that was from Amy.

She was...

yeah, just incredible in that wind down process.

I was definitely a fish out of water.

But yeah, I just think you've like, you've put so much time and so much money and so much effort into something.

And I've forgotten what the phrase is when, anyway, you just like compound all this time and effort.

And then it just makes it harder and harder and harder to walk away.

And so I remember saying like, I can't stop this.

Like I've invested so much money into this.

I can't walk away now.

It would just be a waste.

And a big part of it as well was, and I feel like people don't talk about this part either, like obviously we created Pleasant State because we wanted to make an impact on the world.

But I also did it because I wanted to set up my family.

Yeah, exactly.