Sian Murray

And the amount of times I said to my partner, like, all right, like, this is it.

Come on, Patti.

And I was like, you know, after this – because we never paid ourselves much.

It was always a really hard slog.

And I was like, after this, like, we'll be able to pay ourselves X, Y, Z. Like, it'll be so different.

And it just never eventuated.

And, yeah, I just think – and it's part of what we spoke about earlier about –

like it had not been a failure and the really positive response that we did get.

But I was just scared of losing everything that I'd built and also the response, the reaction from everybody else.

I remember when I, we did decide to close up my, and I kept saying, well, like what a waste, like what a waste of six years, what a waste of money, what a waste of all these, like trust this community.

Like when we shut down our Instagram account, I was like, oh my God,

I know.

I saw that post when you spoke about that.

And I was just sitting in my living room like, damn.

But my dad said he was like, think of it as like the most amazing university degree ever.

Like you would have spent tens and thousands of dollars on that.

And a whole lot of time.

And a whole lot of time.

See Pleasant State as that.

This was like very early on.