Sienna Rodgers

And then once Donald Trump tweets that you're doing it, then you have to do it.

But Donald Trump, I think, having read some of the media reports on the Sunday morning, so the nudge may be right.

Yes, but I guess I would add a little bit of context to what Helen McNamara said because I've seen, I don't know if it was on Newscast or on her own podcast.

Everyone's got a podcast.

But she was saying about how, you know, she'd never seen this before and it seemed completely unprecedented.

It actually isn't.

It does happen.

Every time.

People seem to not believe this, but you can actually go and look up the photo of the by-election winner.

But actually it is often in the hundreds.

And so, you know, you can go and look at the photos and they are often, especially after a big by-election, that's hard one.

They are huge moments.

Often the prime minister goes.

So actually that bit is normal.

Andy Burnham wasn't breaking with precedent or doing anything unusual there.

That's just like what the Labour Party does.

But obviously in this context, it's,

It just landed very differently.

I went along for it and it was really quite extraordinary.

It was like a rock star was coming.