Simon Goodwin

He's a mature-aged guy.

He works incredibly hard.

He's good with the ball.

And, you know, he'll play forward to centre all night tonight.

No, we had a great relationship, Brodie.

We both agreed one thing, that he's not a Ford, and neither is Gourney, so...

But, you know, we agree that they're both premier ruckmen of the competition and to give him his best chance was up here.

So, no, we get on well.

He's a unique man.

We sit next to each other on the bus.

So he's a good man.

Oh, there's nothing better when Paps is up and going.

Clearly they love a stoppage-based game.

They love to get the ball from inside to the outside at stoppage.

And when the game's living in a stoppage-based game, they're very strong.

They have been for a number of years now.

So we want to make sure we try and get the game as much as we can into a turnover game.

And that's the part of the game that we think we're going pretty well in at the moment and we'd like to challenge them in that space.

In some ways, like I'll be really honest, it's felt like a bordering on bullying.

That's the way.