Sinead O'Sullivan

And someone needs to do some sort of honest assessment of what that is.

It takes a very long time.

This is why it's very hard for us to compare ourselves with the others.

This is why there's a gap because these countries have existed.

I mean, Ireland has existed as a country for a long time.

We have not existed as a functioning state for, I don't know, if ever.

That is a bold claim, but maybe it's true.

So a different type of thinking is involved here.

But I think the first thing is understanding what the actual problem is.

And that's, I think it feels palpable in Ireland that people are starting to understand that maybe this is the problem.

But, you know, Ireland has to figure this out in its own way.

And before we can actually figure out how to solve things, and I'm not one of these people that's like, here's a long list of problems.

I'm not concerned about the solutions.

I am.

But I guess my point is that we, before we jump to the solutions, we need to understand in the Irish context.

what is the actual problem that we're solving here?

And then what is the Irish way that we can do this?

Because we don't have time.

We do not have the developmental path that these other countries had for hundreds of years.

So we're going to have to get smart about this, but it has to happen.