Spencer Matthews

And I'm just...

Yeah, I'm very proud of her as well.

I think she's a very special woman.

I can't say it enough.

There was an element of competition, I think, at some point in our relationship when we first were getting going.

Because I think at the time we did a very similar thing as well.

We had a podcast together.

And so you're kind of, as well as trying to make a good product, you are...

sort of competing um you know we did an awful lot together we had a tv show together then a podcast together and i've actually found it's been far easier to be fully behind each other with less on our professional plate that's together yeah with our own directions and our own careers we want different things and we weren't that wasn't clear to begin with we kind of

I used to want to do a lot more in TV, and she's always wanted to be a television presenter, but that was sort of in the back of my mind.

And it took the 30 marathons in the desert last year for me to really understand who I want to be.

And it was a wonderful realization.

I had a few little things going on that were semi-successful in entertainment.

And I just realized I don't really want to entertain.

I'm not a comedian.

I'm not an actor.

I'm not a singer.

I haven't got discernible kind of talent in that space.

I'm just, I've done a bit of TV and, you know, hopefully I've made a few people laugh from time to time, but who am I?

What is it?