Spencer Matthews

And again, with that came responsibility to not be out drinking and getting drunk.

Right.

And then you have children and then it's all it all layers on top of, you know, each other.

I think if I was the kind of person that now went out and had a couple of pints of beer and and couldn't stop drinking.

then I wouldn't have the beer.

I'd have the experience to just go, what's the point in any of this?

The fact is I can have the occasional drink.

Sometimes the occasional drink leads to several drinks in a night.

But my relationship feels more normal now.

And I think I read Dr. Anna Lemke's book called Dopamine Nation, which was just fantastic.

Have you not read it?

Oh, it's wonderful.

And it's quite...

It's neuroscience-y, but it's also an easy read.

Right up my street.

No, but honestly, right up my street.

For me, I mean.

I'm obviously not a scientist.

So for me, it was a welcome read because I was so fascinated by it that I flipped through it in kind of no time.

And it's all about kind of, you know, spikes in dopamine and how toxins and alcohol make you feel.