Spencer Matthews

I didn't push myself.

I didn't have the aspirations I have now.

Before Vogue and kids, I was pretty loose.

I was just spiraling kind of all the time.

And you think it's fun.

But it's not, you know, and I think, you know, firstly, what we spoke about earlier, you know, wanting to show up for Vogue, wanting to prove to Vogue that I wasn't some, you know, drunk loser was important to me.

Then, you know, I wasn't sober for long before starting a business.

And then all of a sudden your plate's kind of full and you're busy.

So you don't even really feel like drinking much because you have a new addiction, in my case then.

You know, I fell hard into startup land.

I loved it.

Yeah, I loved it.

And I still love it, of course.

I'm talking the past tense because that's when we started it in 2018.

And I just fell head over heels in love with that instead, you know.

It's an alcohol-free spirits company.

So we make gin, whiskey, rum, tequila, vodka with no alcohol.

Michael drinks your gin.

Does he?

Oh, thank you.