Stacey Evans
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first heard Apr 2025
last heard Apr 2025
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And they did it again in the face of on the same day that they were up reporting, ICE telling them, we've only got records of two hysterectomies being done at this facility at all, whether by Dr. Amin, at the time, they didn't know if there were other doctors that may be treating women at that facility. That's what MSNBC did, which was very reckless.
They had the biggest microphone, the biggest camera, and they blasted his name and blasted his picture across on things that were false and that from their own investigation, they had feedback telling them, it wasn't there, their own internal people saying, we don't have it. And I know we may talk about that more if you want me to go into some of the things that they knew.
Well, she definitely had some issues employment-wise with the facility. Who's right or wrong in that, I don't know. But she was very upset about her status as an employee and her hours being cut down or something like that. And she was mainly concerned about COVID protections at the facility. This was September 2020. We were in the height of COVID restrictions.
She was complaining that the safety protocols weren't being followed and she had some of her own health issues that she was worried about and being forced to work in these conditions. That's what she was trying to share. You know, this 26 page letter, I believe it was total only one little paragraph about hysterectomies.
But her advocates through this advocacy organization have been trying to get attention on COVID for a while and no one was biting them. And I think they needed something sensational. And why she chose to say that he did this, I'll never know.
Well, they did include his denial, which was general. And one of the things to keep in mind here that was very frustrating for Dr. Amin is, I mean, he's a doctor. He is bound by the laws of HIPAA. He can't go digging through his medical records and throw them up on the screen and say, see here, this is why I did the hysterectomy. These are the hysterectomies I did.
He cannot talk about specific patients. He cannot talk about specific things that happened with them. And so that general denial was all he could do.
But what what was true and what we just got worse as we were peeling back the layers during discovery is this whole thing started with Julia Ainsley and Jacob Stoveroff were writing, working together on an article that was going to be for NBC News online. And they were calling immigration lawyers in Georgia, obviously speaking to Don Wooten.
And what they found in the course of doing that is that the immigration lawyers were telling them, you know, when this story broke, we started calling our colleagues. One of the immigration lawyers that they talked to was a leader in this 15,000 plus member association of immigration lawyers all across
the country and she had access to all the ones there in the Southeast and Georgia in particular, they were not seeing high numbers of hysterectomies. And they told the reporters at MSNBC that's unclear whether it was Jacob that they told or Julia, but they told one of them, we are not seeing it. We are calling around. We are asking people to report to us and we are not seeing it.
Going to air, they really only had hard evidence of one hysterectomy. And they had that from an immigration lawyer who told them, and she had cancer. That's what they had. Now, they said they had more than that, but they never did. The most they ever had was two.
That's what ICE was saying, is that there were two reported out from ICE and that they were approved through their internal procedures to be necessary. And then you had standards who was looking at that article standards and practices.
Yeah, absolutely. And I, and I've, I personally felt sorry for Christopher Scholl was the deputy head of standards at the time. And he was clearly pushing back. And he was saying, we have this one source. She has no direct knowledge because she told even Jacob Soboroff, I didn't go with the women during their medical treatments. And Dr. Amin never set foot
onto the campus of Irwin County detention center. The women were brought to his private medical office. Don Wooten said the alleged whistleblower, I didn't go there. I don't know what happened. So she has no firsthand knowledge. And the deputy head of standards is pointing this out guys. Hey, we have one source with no direct knowledge. This is sensational.
We've got these folks saying, maybe we found one. You've got, I say, and there's two, we don't have it. And, um, There's evidence that we developed that standards never actually approved that online news report, which ended up being the basis for all the on-air. Now, they dispute and say, oh, yeah, we did. We did. We did approve.
But there's some emails later where the deputy head of standards is saying – These articles shouldn't go out without standards seeing a final version and they should not be considered approved based on answers to questions, which is all there was back and forth. All these emails, questions, answers, questions, answers, but then more questions.
And then all of a sudden the news article is up and Julia Ainsley's on deadline White House. And then from there, you know, it goes to Chris Hayes. It goes to Rachel Maddow.
Yeah.
Yep. Prior to posting the, the article online and prior to any on air, including the deadline white house show. And then you also had, you had Chris Hayes behind the scenes internally with standards saying, you know, this whole thing went viral because it sort of brings up all these Third Reich, Jim Crow, Mississippi hospitalization experiments. And that's not the case here.
That's what he said internally. That's why it went viral. It's so sensational. It brings up all these bad historical implications. But that's not true here. He acknowledges that internally. That same night, he goes on his show and he says, this story went viral because of the historical ramifications of any kind of coerced sterilization of an immigrant population.
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