Steph Claire Smith

And then the media then started to say she was boring, there was nothing interesting about her because basically she was just like a nice girl next door kind of vibe and, like, people were like, what's interesting about that, which is so fucked.

Do you know what's crazy with that too?

But over there, that's the norm.

Even when we were reaching out to guests to have on the podcast, there was a bit of resistance because they had been on podcasts or gotten interviewed before and their words had been twisted.

And we had to reassure them, we don't do that.

You come back to us.

If you've said anything and you later regret it, just tell us and we'll take it out.

It's not...

So, yeah, crazy, right?

It is very different over there.

And I think it just – yeah, it just made me sad because she was 19 when she started to blow up over there.

And, I mean, we all discover ourselves in our 20s, right?

I feel like we all try on different versions of ourselves until we find what kind of fits.

And I think particularly in an art like music, you're – unless you're like so hell-bent and sure on like one particular type –

There's a huge area to play in and she was really big on like not like being... She didn't like being put in a box or like being defined in that way.

So she really did explore kind of more indie music and all of this sort of stuff.

But everything she explored, she basically got shit for.

At the same time, had a huge fan base and like a lot of people did love her.

But one thing I found really sad in the doc was...

Even to this day, I think there's still this insecurity about her voice.