Steph Claire Smith

But prior to that, one theme throughout it was, unfortunately, because she kind of blew up in the UK and was living in the UK for a lot of her career...

And we all know what the press in the UK is like.

They are ruthless, particularly back then.

But even to this day, they still are.

And it's kind of similar to what came up in the Victoria Beckham doco in like how ruthless headlines can be and how judgmental people can be, particularly when they kind of go from one thing to, you know, from Victoria, it was going as being in the Spice Girls to then doing a fashion thing.

For Kylie, it was going from being an actress to a pop singer and

and people not really accepting that.

So even though her song and everything went bananas, there was people on talk shows flat out saying, like, she can't sing.

Like, I'm sorry, she can't sing.

Like, saying that to start with.

And then the media then started to say she was boring, there was nothing interesting about her because basically she was just like a nice girl next door kind of vibe and, like, people were like, what's interesting about that, which is so fucked.

Do you know what's crazy with that too?

But over there, that's the norm.

Even when we were reaching out to guests to have on the podcast, there was a bit of resistance because they had been on podcasts or gotten interviewed before and their words had been twisted.

And we had to reassure them, we don't do that.

You come back to us.

If you've said anything and you later regret it, just tell us and we'll take it out.

It's not...

So, yeah, crazy, right?

It is very different over there.