Steph McGovern

The leader of reforms taking money from billionaires.

Surely they'll find ways to make their wealth not look as big as it is.

As you say, they've got the power.

Yeah.

So they can play the system on that front.

you were to do this all of these people would relocate elsewhere and would also stop investing in the uk yeah that's the central question and so we're delighted to say that this year the rest is money is powered by octopus energy and we've got greg here greg good to see you so oil prices are very volatile if they stay like that what can we do to protect the uk economy

Nice one, Greg.

Thanks for explaining that.

Right, we're going to go to the episode.

Hello and welcome to The Rest Is Money with me, Steph McGovern.

So today we are going to talk about how we get more money out of rich people.

in particular billionaires.

We've got a brilliant, prominent French-American economist with us, Gabriel Zucman.

He's known around the world for his expert research on wealth inequality, tax havens, corporate tax evasions.

And he's got, I mean, he's someone who influences global policy decisions, isn't he?

He's a big name in terms of how we tax rich people.

Gabriel, lovely to have you here.

You've done so much fascinating work on billionaires.

Can you tell us a bit about how many there are in the world, what kind of people they are?

Paint that picture of who the billionaires are.