Steph McGovern

Has anyone left then in France in this time?

Like any of the billionaires?

So if you take where things are politically for us at the moment and the growth of reform, and that is driven a lot by working class people who are annoyed at the fact that their lives haven't got any better.

And as you say, there's this inequality of wealth, but yet

The leader of reforms taking money from billionaires.

But he's probably going to present all this in a way that makes people think it's not possible or we shouldn't be doing it.

And because a lot of public figures, politicians, are getting money, are getting donations from very rich people.

And that comes back to your point about the rich people have got the power to persuade the politicians.

Yeah, no, but that's why...

Just following on from what Robert asked you then earlier, which you cleverly avoided.

Have you spoken to any of our lot then?

Particularly any of the potential Labour leaders, Andy Burnham?

A leader.

Do it.

So just, I guess, in conclusion, thanks, we'll wrap things up.

What's the one thing that needs to happen to change?

Like, what do you think is the biggest thing holding this back?

Like, what can we do to make this happen?

Taking the risk, isn't it, I think?

Excellent.