Steph McGovern

which will make things better in the future.

People can cope with tough times if they think things are going to get better.

And the way things are at the moment, people don't feel like that.

And that is why they're going for the populist vote of reform and the Greens is because they're like, I've had it with all these people who've had a go and failed us.

We need to give someone else a chance.

The irony of it being Waterloo, it feels like, you know, like a battlefield, doesn't it?

It's just dawned on him.

I mean, we've been saying it for years.

I think that's a really good point about this.

It comes back to the incremental point, actually.

These individual decisions on tax and spending policy, when you look at them on their own, they could make sense.

But as you pointed out, on the whole, what that has meant is these kind of tough spending decisions we've been told have had to be made always seem to hit ordinary people and businesses.

The exact people, the businesses are the ones who are going to grow the economy, who, if they have enough money, will hopefully invest more in areas and employ more people and everything else.

And

As a collective, they've been hammered.

And so that is also why there's such a feeling of being let down by a party.

People feel so let down that they are not being supported through any of the crisis.

It's things have got harder for them rather than...

feeling like it's a government who wants people to do well, to better their lives and to make money.

It feels like that's not what they want them to do.