Steph McGovern

If you make money, we're going to hammer you on taxes.

And that's the big issue that they face in all of this.

And plus, the other thing I would say is you don't... It feels like...

At the moment, there's definitely an identity crisis.

No one knows what Labour stand for.

They don't know themselves.

It feels like they end up debating whether they go right to try and beat reform or left to beat the Greens.

And they do it on a tactical basis, not on principled ones.

And people can see through it.

They look like pale imitations whenever they come out and say something, whether it's about immigration.

When Starmer came out after Reform had talked about immigration being the problem in the economy, then Starmer came out and said, yeah, immigration is a problem.

And it just looks...

They have no principles and then so many U-turns as well.

Who are they?

Who are they and what do they stand for?

I don't know.

It's out of date, isn't it?

That's what it feels like.

Because I get it.

As you say, if you look at an individual steel making facility, obviously it's really important to the community.