Stephanie Ramos

Perfect.

I mean, everyone has their ups and downs, but it was a wonderful world.

I was happy, and I'm still happy.

I mean, you know what I mean?

I'm not just, like, this person that sits in the dark and, like, cries every day, but it's... I miss her very much.

Your father, he never got to see this case solved.

How do you process that, knowing that he was so close to seeing this day?

I mean, I talk to them every day.

I have pictures of them in the guest bedroom.

And I talk to them.

And I said, I wish you had been here.

I said, Daddy, thank you for being such a wonderful father.

And I'm so sorry that you didn't get to see justice, but you're getting justice.

Blood and Water is a production of ABC Audio and 2020, hosted by me, Stephanie Ramos, produced by Madeline Wood, Shane McKeon, and Kiara Powell, with help from Emily Schutz and Caitlin Schiffer, edited by Gianna Palmer.

Our supervising producer is Susie Liu.

Music by Evan Viola.

Mixing and mastering by Bob Mallory.

Scoring by Kiara Powell.

Special thanks to Katie Dendaz, Janice Johnston, Sean Dooley, Chris Donovan, Camille Peterson, Christina Corbin, Gail Deutsch, Amanda Carr, Ellie Jostad, NG Adam, and Michelle Margulis.

Josh Cohan is our director of podcast programming.