Stephen Dubner

That's big.

He's very healthy.

He's a former Air Force pilot.

I think he could beat us all up.

I probably...

Yeah.

So I will say that what Malcolm said is pretty close to a lot of the things that I feel about Freakonomics in that.

You're a much younger person, but also, like he said, the time was different.

So I did go back and read the book.

I liked it.

I was very pleasantly surprised.

Our main incentive was to be truthful and be interesting.

It was really simple as that, and to have fun.

Both Lev and I don't take ourselves too seriously.

We reported and researched and fact-checked and dotted every I.I.,

So I wasn't concerned about that.

We did have one thing shortly after publication that we found out had been wrong, which was a kind of terrible thing.

This guy that we wrote about as having heroically gone undercover in the Ku Klux Klan and exposed them.

And he did do a lot of that type of work, but he kind of conflated his own identity with that of another guy who did the undercover stuff.

And he wrote books about it.