Stephen Jones

Oh, I don't know.

I think I always tried to have good manners.

What got you somewhere wasn't bad manners.

I think it was meeting the right people.

I think people like Dougie Fields and Andrew Logan, Lucio Martinez and Brian Eno, if I got to say, and Derek Jarman, because they showed us all how to party.

how to get into a club how to get a free drink yeah um because none of us had any money and also what's so different to now the idea of the pursuit of money was so uncool um we were doing it for the beauty um or the i don't know i i mean i guess we all wanted to be rich and famous or something but

certainly you weren't really doing it for the money wasn't important you were there to create something it wasn't to create something new or to create something individual but it was to create something that you could be i think yeah because the whole punk thing was i suppose if you think of how to separate from your parents generation and

I remember a friend of mine showed his son the Rock and Roll Swindle, and he said to his son,

What do you think of that?

Did you like it?

And he said, well, we have nothing to rebel against, which is so shocking.

Yeah, it's hard.

And maybe it's right, but whether we like it or not, that's what they thought.

And this was maybe 15 years ago, 20 years ago, before social media, before anything which rules young lives now.

I wonder if the people at the Blitz would like to be in the Royal Enclosure or the people in the Royal Enclosure would like to be in the Blitz.

That's so fantastic.

That's certainly a chapter in a book.

Maybe your autobiography.

I don't know, though.

I mean, certainly the dressing up part was important.