Stephen Jones

It's so funny.

I mean, now it's so funny.

Now I can laugh about it.

There was a show that John did, and there was armor in it, and I made all the armor.

And the armor was made, I mean, not personally, but I sort of worked on the patterns and worked with all the different atelier who were making it.

Some was made from rubber.

Some was made from fabric.

Some was actually made from beetle metal.

Some was...

and I was working with all the different people, and it was so much work.

And about two weeks before the show, I just went into the studio, and I said, I burst into tears and said, John, I just don't think I can do it.

Or even I didn't say his name, John, and he looked a bit horrified, but...

Bill Gaten, who was John's pattern cutter, came over to me and sort of put his arms around me and said, Stephen, it'll be okay.

What can we do?

Stephen Robinson, who is his main assistant, his extraordinary main assistant, said, oh, we can get you extra help.

Do you need more money?

Do you whatever?

And John quite calmly looked at me and said, but you will do it, won't you?

And it was the most chilling, but the most empowering thing I've ever heard, because that's why he's such a survivor as well, because he knows that.

But it was sort of very inspiring.