Stephen Jones

And then, you know, the blue boil, the Gainsborough, the whatever within it.

And I do remember her explaining to me, this is the Hogarth line.

And

not so much fashion, but what everything represented.

Yeah.

And I don't know how she'd learned that or she was just imagining it or, you know, they'd grown up during, my parents had grown up during the war.

So they had to be ruthlessly practical, a very different life.

But I mean, for example, I remember coming down to the Courtauld Institute and

not when i was five years old i was probably 10 or something and yes they're all the wonderful paintings but i remember there was the thickest beige carpet i'd ever seen and it was the most velvety wonderful texture and so of course sound was incredibly muffled and it just felt like you were in the inside of an oyster or something

if you wear a hat, there is no escape somehow.

It's so true.

Even though the hat can be an escape.

I remember real hat wear is both

Anna Piaggi and Isabella Blow talking to me about the power of a hat and how they could relax underneath it.

And the hat did the communication for them.

So it wasn't only a defense.

It was this extraordinary magical tool.

Yeah.

And you have to do what you have to do.

You have to live your life.