Stephen Knight

And then realize that you sometimes make less money from building a bigger business.

So how did you keep all of those natural inclinations in check around?

Actually, I don't want to spend 150 grand a year.

I want to spend a million dollars a year.

Three hours in an economy seat, all good.

But if you're going through Dubai to the other side of the world and you only go over once every two years, I can totally understand that you want a nice seat because if you're flying in a nicer seat, the holiday starts when you get to the airport as opposed to when you land and then you're tired and grumpy and all of that.

Spoken like someone without kids.

So...

And I know as well that when you retired, you quickly found out that retirement's not all that it cracked up to be.

Talk to us about that.

It's so funny.

Andrew used to say to me that he wanted to retire at 40.

And I used to laugh at him benignly.

And then I remember I was around at your house and you told me you wanted to retire.

And I just laughed at you as well.

Like,

When you're you type of people, you might want to work a bit less, but you're not going to want to retire and sit at home and think, oh, I could actually still do something interesting in my life.

Yeah, I'd be terrible at tennis.

Do you know what?

This actually sounds so ideal.