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Stephen Kotkin

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

And Deng Xiaoping looks this over and he says, you know what the answer is?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

Japan is partners with America, not with the Soviet Union.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

And so Deng Xiaoping is going to divorce the Soviet Union, economically, and he's going to marry the U.S.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

And so Deng gets most favored nation status in 1980, thanks to Jimmy Carter.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

Communist regime in Beijing gets most favored nation status, which has to be renewed every year and is renewed every single year until 2000, 2001, when they're admitted to the WTO.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

Now, that's a Clinton initiative that happens right when Bush is going to come to office.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

And so the secret sauce is you have to manufacture and export to the American domestic market.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

Because the American middle class is insatiable.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

They will buy anything as long as the quality is high and the price is low.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

Japan did this.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

Japan's two former colonies, Taiwan and South Korea, followed in Japan's footsteps.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

China's going to do this too.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

We're going to use this Japanese model and the American middle class and their insatiable overconsumption

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

is going to create the Chinese middle class.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

So this is what the party does, this geopolitical reorientation from a Soviet economic model to a Japan-style export-led partnership with the U.S.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

domestic market and middle class.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

They have a couple of tricks that are really important.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

They have Hong Kong.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

Hong Kong is a British-controlled, rule of law, international financial order that allocates capital based upon risk and return, not Communist Party dictates.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Stephen Kotkin — How Stalin Became the Most Powerful Dictator in History

Gorbachev, Soviet Union, they have nothing like Hong Kong.