Stephen Pound

And I think the only way we can actually deal that is instead of chasing after each and every one of them, we've got to actually clarify the Labour message, the decency and the stability and the support for people that is part of our DNA, part of our bloodstream.

We've got to get that.

People have got to come to us.

It's not just a question of us chasing after the people.

We've got to actually stand on the hill and say, here we stand.

And I think there's a bit of pride in what we do.

And I have to say, this is probably the most sort of febrile time in politics.

I wasn't around in 1922 when Labour first won Wales, but I feel like I've been around for a pretty long time.

And I've never, ever known anything where I've been sort of walking down the street and having people throwing stones at me from every one of the 360 degrees.