Andy Burnham has won the Makerfield by election
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Everyone knows that politics isn't working. Everyone can feel that the country isn't where it should be. Tonight could, just could, be the turning point. From here on, I will give everything I have got to make it so.
That's Andy Burnham, who's won the Makerfield by-election. He's promised to put the country back on the right track. So what does this mean for UK politics and the Labour Party? For more on this, I'm joined by Philip Webster, who's former political editor with The Times. And Stephen Pound is with us too, former Labour MP for Ealing North and former Northern Ireland shadow minister. You're both welcome to the programme. Stephen, first to you, were you shocked by the scale of the victory?
I was astounded, to be perfectly honest. Last night was a whole series of firsts, leaving aside the Scottish results, which was pretty extraordinary. What happened here is the first time ever, I think, that the percentage of people voting has increased since the last election. Also, the party and government has actually increased its vote. And also the Conservatives, the Greens and the Liberal Democrats were down minuscule. You had to have a microscope to see their votes. So what it really is about, firstly... It's about the personality of Andy Burnham. There's no getting away from that. Secondly, it's about the fact that British politics, the old system, no longer applies. We're almost in a pick and mix situation.
It reminds me of elections I used to go to in Ireland, where people had to vote for number three and number two and number seven. It's all over the shop.
What was the Makerfield by-election result and Andy Burnham's immediate response?
What it is now is people are tactically voting. We like it, though. Oh, yeah, it worked for you. As ever, we're copying you here. But look, the main thing is that the Labour Party is now in a completely new place. There's things in the paper today about Keir Starmer has managed to amass a wall chest to sort of fight off any challenge. The reality is that the mood in the party and I think the mood in the country is that we do need to reset. Now, Keir Starmer is always talking about resetting with Europe. I think the country is going to have to reset with Keir.
What does that mean?
What it means is that a dignified change is inevitable. Now, whether it's messy or whether it's calm, whether it's dignified, that's entirely up to Kiran and his inner circle. Like all of us, we respect Keir for his dignity, you know, his decency in his hard work. But the fact remains, he is not cutting across. He's not reading the room. He's not actually reaching the people in the way that Andy Burnham demonstrably has done. So, I mean, there's a real excitement. I couldn't believe it when I was up there. This is a bloke wandering around in a black T-shirt and a pair of glasses. And he's got people swooning in the street. Now, the trouble is, is this one swallow that doesn't make the summer?
How surprised were commentators by the scale of Burnham's victory?
Is this about an individual? Or is it really... about the fact that the country is facing existential challenges. We know that potentiality for war. We've got Russian ships, the Admiral Grigorovich firing on one of our British yachts. The country's in a very, very dangerous position. Is it time? And I think the answer now is yes. Is it time for us to actually change the captain on the bridge?
Okay, Philip, to bring you in on this, I mean, there may be swooning in the street over Andy Burnham, but Keir Starmer is certainly not swooning. He is, from what we see today, you know, there's very muted congratulations to Andy Burnham, but he is for staying. And we know that last Wednesday, he more or less offered him a gig in government if he wants it. But there's no indication that he's going to make way here.
At this stage, there certainly isn't. I mean, the hope of Labour MPs and members across the country, as Stephen has just said, is that over the weekend he'll think and he'll realise that the game is up. I think we can say today that Andy Burnham will be the next UK Prime Minister. I think we can. I think it's going to happen.
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Chapters
5 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:01–1:36
2
What was the Makerfield by-election result and Andy Burnham's immediate response?
1:36–2:46
3
How surprised were commentators by the scale of Burnham's victory?
2:46–5:09
4
Why do analysts say Andy Burnham's personality drove the Makerfield result?
5:09–8:16
5
What does the Makerfield result mean for Keir Starmer's leadership in Labour?
8:16–15:55