Stephen Rowley

And I have to remember, am I doing an omnipotent narrator or a close sort of narrator and what they know?

And then it's, you know, you're relying on the character to show you through action and through

where they're stumbling and where they're succeeding and all of that.

So it does become a challenge.

I don't think I realized I was doing that purposefully, but it's interesting to hear that pointed out.

It's not, except that I have a friend who has a Benora or was given a Benora as a joke gift.

So we're talking about a banana Menorah for Hanukkah that you would light your candles with.

I didn't know if it would be like eight banana-shaped candles that you would light, or if it's one ceramic banana that the candles go in, and that's ultimately what it is.

But I will say, I took some pictures at Hanukkah last year.

We used the banora.

We lit the banora.

And so I'll be posting some of those pictures on my Instagram when the book comes out.

Some things you just can't make up, but you know, but the banana, a time honored symbol of comedy or at least clowning or, or, you know, pratfalls or whatnot.

So how could I resist?

and to hold on to some dignity and you can't stop it and i think flight attendants do deal with that um a lot but what a full circle moment that it was lily in the aquas i'm probably i've heard from several people read it on planes and i hope i'm responsible for people getting some free drinks or something as an apology for making you cry in public i think i did get a wine for it so just yes success

Thank you.

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I met Cece at the Kauai Writers Conference.

Tell Carly I'm coming for her.

But I love chatting with you always.