Steven Bonnell (Destiny)
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first heard Mar 2024
last heard Mar 2024
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Uh-oh. Oh, no.
And I've written extensively about it. In Kafr Qasem, they killed civilians. And now let's... So you're just eliminating, you're selecting.
Okay, real quick. While he's searching for that, you bring up something that's really important that a lot of people don't draw a distinction between in that there is just causes for war and there is just ways to act within a war. And these two things principally do have a distinction from one another.
However, while I appreciate the recognition of the distinction, the idea that the cause for war that Hamas was engaged in, I don't believe if we look at their actions in war or the statements that they've made, it doesn't seem like it had to do with territorial acquisition. No, no, no.
I don't think we condemn the Arab side either, though, right? I don't think there was any condemnation.
Well, I think the reason why it comes up is because there's no shortage of international condemnation for Israel. As Norm will point out a million times that there are 50 billion UN resolutions. You've got Amnesty International. You've got multiple bodies of the UN. You've got now this case for the ICJ. So there's no question of if there's condemnation for Israel.
No, no, except the Arab states and the Muslim states. Well. Not the entire world.
The Western democracies, that's what you're saying. Western democracies supported the establishment of Israel.
My quick question was, you said that you believe that, this is a very short one, you don't have to, it's just, you think that there's an argument to be made that the people in Gaza, that Hamas and Islamic Jihad, whoever participated, had a just cause for war. Maybe they didn't do it in the correct way, but they maybe had a just cause for war.
Okay, you think they absolutely had a just cause for it. Do you think that Israel has a just cause for Operation Swords of Iron? No, of course not. Okay.
You can say your quote.
Wait, does something strange which happened is the Arabs rejected the source? Okay, wait.
Yeah.
Forget my descriptions. Forget it? Words are in print.
Let me just finish my sentence. The point you're making, which you somehow forget, is that there are Israelis who strongly criticize their own side and describe how Israelis are doing things which they regard as immoral. You don't find that on the Arab side.
Because I believe that the Israeli military tried to avoid committing a civilian casualty. As I think they've tried to do in Gaza now.
Jews in masses, in buses, and in restaurants. That's the second intifada.
Suicide bombers in Jerusalem's buses and restaurants.
Listen, listen. In the Second Intifada, some 4,000 Palestinians were killed, most of them armed people, and 1,000 Israelis were killed, almost all of them civilians.
We don't have to agree.
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