Steven Novella

This is, I think, I think you hit the nail on the head.

This is exactly Elizabeth Holmes.

This is Theranos.

Wow.

And there's other things too.

So the, they said that we're putting batteries in the motorcycle to customers.

No, they weren't.

They were putting them in motorcycles for their internal use only, which is like by definition pre-production and they haven't shipped any to customers yet.

So that was a lie.

That's just a lie.

Yeah.

Yeah, right.

So yeah, so the investigators actually used the fraud word when describing it.

Could this be come down to fake it till you make it kind of thing where you have the marketing department marketing what they think the engineers are going to develop in the next three to six months?

And so they're just sort of pretending they already have it.

I don't think that's enough to explain it.

I mean, that was Elizabeth Holmes' excuse.

This was all fake until you make it.

There's one thing.

It's one thing to like Steve Jobs when he first presented the iPhone prototype in 2007.