Steven Rinella

I had a rule, which is I either sleep outside or I get invited to somebody's home.

And how much of this country works?

When you think about how much of this country functions, this is a vast land.

This is a huge place.

And when you look at it in the modern day versus, yeah, there was a time when this was a hugely dangerous situation that he was putting himself and Nathaniel in.

But to get back to it real quick, he gets out to Warren, Pennsylvania, Tim and his brother, and they meet one guy.

daniel mcquay good daniel mcquay i think should almost have his own book written about him i won't you've written books before you know what it is to hit a character and all of a sudden you're like wait a second am i barking up the wrong job maybe i should be writing about this oh yeah daniel mcquay was hired by the holland land company to do land speculation and we've all been young men before right

You know when you meet another guy and you kind of look up to him?

I swear, I don't have any facts to back this up, but just the philosophy of it, the theory behind it, is that John Chapman met Daniel McQuay and really looked up to him.

He was described by a historian from the 1800s, a true son of Aaron.

He drank, he fought, he was a bit of a maniac.

He lived in a log...

Remind me that it's like the house is wider on the top and then it's this... I'm not going to remember.

Anyways, he basically lives in a log cabin.

What's the son of Aaron?

He's just from Scotland, Ireland.

He's just like a big, massive, boozy adventurer.

And Holland is paying him just to try and claim as much land as they can.

He's also in wood trade.

So he'll cut all these trees down, put them on rafts, takes them down the Allegheny,