Steven Rinella

religion take off, which was John Smith and Mormonism.

So Mormonism was heavily influenced by watching how Swedenborg's teachings took off.

i'm carrying my religion forth 100 or would he have said i'm carrying my apple seeds forth i listen again you don't know the answer ever but i would argue he 100 believed that the teachings

of Swedenborg were his, Emanuel Swedenborg.

Those were his passion.

Those were his reason.

But I mean, this is why I love this story.

It's such an American story.

You can have your passions, but you gotta be able to pay the bills.

Granted, his were very, very low.

But you have to have a little bit of a business.

You have to have a little bit of an underpinning of capitalism to get you out there, to make sure you can grab some food when you need it or whatever's happening.

And so for him, those were the orchards.

The preachings, I believe, were the ideals.

And then the land speculation, the laying claim to this land, was the aspect of it that he knew meant he had something to fall back on.

Even if, again, he never really even tapped into it.

I think he sensed some type of security from it.

I mean, real quick.

do you have a favorite like American legend?

Who's your favorite American legend?