Sukhema (Larry Butler)

Yes, we were running, at the time, Survivor's Poetry.

And Survivor's Poetry then morphed into Lapidus around 93, 92.

Yes.

And what you're mentioning there about solo facilitation, you and I who've run many training courses over the years, beginning in I think 2003 or 2004, we've always emphasized the importance of paired facilitation.

Yes.

And people working together and having support for the facilitator is really important.

And that's partly where you were learning right back then.

Yes, I was.

Well, that was developed originally in London, and then I started the first group in Scotland in probably around 91, 92.

And it was mainly looking at people who have survived out of the mental health system,

Abuse, torture, anybody who felt or identified as a survivor, including survivor of cancer, were invited alone to run groups.

It was funded by the Greater Glasgow Health Board for about 10 years.

It received funding.

And when the funding stopped, that's when, in a way, Lapidus Scotland sort of started taking off.

Bit by bit.

Little bits of funding here and there.

And we go from project to project.

We've never had core funding.

Like this poetry library has core funding to employ staff.

We've never employed staff.