Susan Glasser

So I want to say that on the front end. However, I also want to say that even for we journalists who are generally allergic and should use this word unprecedented very, very sparingly, that this is a fair word in my view to use right now for what's happening. And the reason that I think Eric is being cautious about the word corruption, it's good to be cautious.

So I want to say that on the front end. However, I also want to say that even for we journalists who are generally allergic and should use this word unprecedented very, very sparingly, that this is a fair word in my view to use right now for what's happening. And the reason that I think Eric is being cautious about the word corruption, it's good to be cautious.

But what I would say is that that's what we used to have a Justice Department for. And the thing that I think is the particular tragedy of the moment is not only that Donald Trump and his family members are literally adding zeros to the amounts involved in any previous known examples.

But what I would say is that that's what we used to have a Justice Department for. And the thing that I think is the particular tragedy of the moment is not only that Donald Trump and his family members are literally adding zeros to the amounts involved in any previous known examples.

You know, they're adding a lot of zeros.

You know, they're adding a lot of zeros.

Can you put Air Force One in a freezer?

Can you put Air Force One in a freezer?

Yes. But it's not only the scale and scope of the corruption that take it into a different realm, but the fact that they've systematically gone after weakening the rule of law that would go along with constraining our leaders from accepting this kind of money, from You know, it used to be a big deal to do something that had the appearance of potential impropriety or the appearance of confraction.

Yes. But it's not only the scale and scope of the corruption that take it into a different realm, but the fact that they've systematically gone after weakening the rule of law that would go along with constraining our leaders from accepting this kind of money, from You know, it used to be a big deal to do something that had the appearance of potential impropriety or the appearance of confraction.

I mean, this is what a lot of Washington, quote unquote, accountability reporting was like when I got here as a kid right out of college in the 1990s, okay? You know, there was a whole Bill Clinton fundraising scandal, no controlling legal authority, and Yeah, forget about that, right? Okay, now we've just exploded the campaign finance laws.

I mean, this is what a lot of Washington, quote unquote, accountability reporting was like when I got here as a kid right out of college in the 1990s, okay? You know, there was a whole Bill Clinton fundraising scandal, no controlling legal authority, and Yeah, forget about that, right? Okay, now we've just exploded the campaign finance laws.

We have, and I'm sure we'll talk about it, crypto coin for the Trump family that's literally going into the pocket of the president of the United States. So for me, this issue of, I'm glad we started with this question of when is it corruption or not? Because

We have, and I'm sure we'll talk about it, crypto coin for the Trump family that's literally going into the pocket of the president of the United States. So for me, this issue of, I'm glad we started with this question of when is it corruption or not? Because

If we stick to that legal definition, Eric, unfortunately, in a world where Donald Trump has appointed his former personal lawyer to be the Attorney General of the United States, who literally was a registered foreign lobbyist for the government of Qatar, and has, according to you and your colleagues at the New York Times, personally signed off on a legal guidance allowing Donald Trump to accept a $400 million Boeing jet to be the new Air Force One from Qatar...

If we stick to that legal definition, Eric, unfortunately, in a world where Donald Trump has appointed his former personal lawyer to be the Attorney General of the United States, who literally was a registered foreign lobbyist for the government of Qatar, and has, according to you and your colleagues at the New York Times, personally signed off on a legal guidance allowing Donald Trump to accept a $400 million Boeing jet to be the new Air Force One from Qatar...

Oh, no. I mean, this is the sort of the final death rattle of the post-Nixon era, post-Watergate reforms that were designed to protect the country in many ways and protect our political system from the kind of abuses that Richard Nixon envisioned. Because it wasn't just, by the way, his specific cover-up of Watergate.

Oh, no. I mean, this is the sort of the final death rattle of the post-Nixon era, post-Watergate reforms that were designed to protect the country in many ways and protect our political system from the kind of abuses that Richard Nixon envisioned. Because it wasn't just, by the way, his specific cover-up of Watergate.

There were a whole host of abuses of power that Richard Nixon- That's why Agnew went down, right?

There were a whole host of abuses of power that Richard Nixon- That's why Agnew went down, right?