Tahlia Isaac

It's like there's been studies upon studies done.

We know what the protective factors are and yet we totally ignore them.

in a prison system.

We don't encourage any of the protective factors.

So protective factors are feeling safe, feeling loved.

Protective factors are education, employment, housing, like all of the things that we know protect people from going back to crime.

We don't encourage or foster in our prison systems.

But we know what they are.

Yeah.

And we also know what criminogenic factors are.

So like what contributes to you being in custody.

Yeah.

And it's all the things that we currently do do to people while they're in prison.

So it's almost like by design, we know what sends people back.

And so we continue to perpetrate the same environments that are going to send people back to prison.

It blows my mind.

Billions and billions, over $7 billion a year we spend on our prison systems as a country.

Yeah, and I mean, if we're paying people who are in custody, they can support their families on the outside, transfer money to the family on the outside.

But at the moment, it goes the other way.

Families have their bread when they're taken, and they're also having to fund their prison stay, and it's costing money.