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Tamay Besiroglu

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
878 total appearances

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Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

And that will mean that there is different actuals.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

And some countries might have much faster growth than other countries.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

But I would expect that at a jurisdiction level, it will be more homogenous.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

So, for example, I expect the primary obstacles to come from things like regulation.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

And so I would just imagine it's being like more delineated by regulatory jurisdiction boundaries than anything else.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

Or even to be discovered.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

Like there's an aspect of it that where you discover certain things byโ€ฆ

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

scaling up learning by doing, this driving learning curve.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

And there's this separate aspect where you get to, like, suppose that you become wealthier.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

Well, you can invest that increased wealth in, like, yeah, you use it to accumulate more capital, but you also can invest it in R&D and other ways.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

Right.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

I mean, so Robin Hanson has this abstraction of like seeing things in near mode versus far mode.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

And I think if you don't know a lot about the topic, then you see it sort of in far mode and you sort of simplify it.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

That's right.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

Things you know, you see a lot more detail.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

Like in general, I think the thing I would say and the reason I also believe that just like abstract reasoning and like sort of doctor reasoning or even Bayesian reasoning by itself is not like sufficient or like is not as powerful as many other people think is because I think there's just this like enormous amount of

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

richness and detail in the real world that you just can't reason about it.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

You need to see it.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

And obviously that is not an obstacle to

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

AI being incredibly transformative.