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Tamay Besiroglu

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
878 total appearances

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Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

Because as I said, you can scale your data collection.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

You can scale experiments you do both in the AI industry itself and just more broadly in the economy.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

So you just discover more things.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

More economic activity means we have more exposed surface area to have more discoveries.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

All of these are things that have happened

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

in our past.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

So there's no reason that they couldn't speed up.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

The fundamental thing is that there's no reason fundamentally why economic growth can't be much faster than it is today.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

It's probably about as fast right now just because humans are such an important bottleneck.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

They both supply the labor.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

They play crucial roles in the process of discovery of various kinds of productivity growth.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

There's just strong complementarity to some extent with capital that you can't substitute machines and so on for humans very well.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

So the growth of the economy and growth productivity just ends up being bottlenecked by the growth of human population.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

Yeah.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

So I would say in some ways it's similar, in some ways it's not.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

Probably the most important way in which it's not similar is that in China you see this relative, like you see a massive amount of capital accumulation, a substantial amount of adoption of new technologies and probably also human capital accumulation to some extent.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

But you're not seeing a huge scale-up in the labor force.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

While for AI you should expect to see a scale-up in the labor force as well, not in the human

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

workforce, but in the AI workforce.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

2000s or maybe late 90s.