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Tamay Besiroglu

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
878 total appearances

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Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

That's even slower than what we're forecasting.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

The Industrial Revolution is very slow.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

I mean, healthcare is a very big deal.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

but that's not the argument right like the point is that there are all these different things that like some of them are maybe more complimentary than others the point is not that you can get to a Dyson sphere by just scaling labor and capital like that's not the point like you need to scale everything at once

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

So just as you can't get to Dyson Sphere by just scaling labor and capital, you also can't get to it by just scaling TFP.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

That doesn't work.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

So I think our view here is very much the same.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

It is very connected to our view about the software R&D thing, where we're just saying there are these bottlenecks, so you need to scale everything at once.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

This is just our general view.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

But I think people...

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

like misunderstand us sometimes as saying that R&D is not important.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

No, that's not what we're saying.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

We're saying it is important.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

It is less important in relative terms than some other things, none of which are by themselves sufficient.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

to enable this growth.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

So the question is, like, how do you do the credit attribution?

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

I mean, one way in economics it's standard to do that is to look at the elasticities of output to the different factors.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

Like, capital is less important than labor because the output elasticity of, like, labor elasticity output is, like, 0.6, while for capital it's, like, 0.3.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

But neither are by themselves sufficient.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away โ€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

Like, if you just scaled one of them and the other remained fixed, then neither would be sufficient to indefinitely scale output.