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Tamay Besiroglu

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878 total appearances

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Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

So like I would just recommend that you should just discount.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

Mm-hmm.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

future not be like not for like a moral reason not because like the future is worth less or something but because it's just very hard to anticipate the effects of your actions in the near term i think there are things you can do that seem like they would be beneficial like for example you could trying to try to align your present ai systems to uh value the things that you're talking about like they should like value happiness and they should like dislike suffering or something

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

You might want to support like political solutions that would – like basically you might want to build up the capacity so that in the future if you notice something like this happening, then we might have some ability to intervene.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

Like maybe you would think about the prospect of, well, eventually we're going to maybe colonize other stars and like civilization might become very large and communication delays might be very long between different places.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

And in that case, competitive pressures between different –

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

local cultures might become much stronger because it's harder to centrally coordinate.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

That's right.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

And so in that world, you might expect competition to take over in a stronger way.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

And if you think the result of that is going to be a lot of suffering, maybe you would try to stop that.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

Again, I think at this point, it's very far from obvious that trying to say limit competition is actually a good idea.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

I would probably think it's a bad idea.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

But maybe in the future, we will receive some information

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

And we'll be like, oh, like we were wrong.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

Actually, we should stop this.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

And then maybe you want to have the capacity so that you can make that decision.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

Right.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

But that's a very hard, like that's a nebulous thing.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

How do you build that up?

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

Well, I don't know.