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Tamay Besiroglu

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878 total appearances

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Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

Tons of people will die.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

So basically, we can't have a war, because if there's a war, then it will be a disaster, because we will have this aerial bombardment.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

But later it turned out that that was totally wrong.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

In fact, in all of Britain, there were fewer casualties from air bombing in the entire sort of six years of the Second World War than the British government expected in the first few weeks of the war.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

Like they had less casualties in six years than they expected in like a few weeks.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

So why did they get it wrong?

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

Well, I mean, there are lots of boring practical reasons.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

Like, for example, it turned out to be really infeasible to bomb, especially early on, to bomb cities in daytime because your aircraft would just get shot down.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

But then if you tried to bomb at nighttime, then your bombing was really imprecise and only a very small fraction of it actually hit.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

And then people also underestimated the extent to which

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

People on the ground could, like firefighters and so on, could just sort of go around the city and put out fires from bombs that were falling on structures.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

They overestimated the amount of economic damage that it would do.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

They underestimated how economically costly it would be.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

Like basically you're sending these aircraft and then they're getting shot down.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

Well, an aircraft is very expensive.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

So in the end, what turned out is when the Allies started bombing Germany, they were like for each dollar of capital they were destroying in Germany, they were spending like $4 to $5 on the aircraft and fuel and training of the pilots and so on that they were sending in missions.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

And the casualty rate was very high, which later got covered up by the government because they didn't want people to worry about, you know,

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

Yeah.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

So that is a kind of situation where all the planning that you would have done in advance predicated on this assumption of like air bombing is going to be this like nuclear weapons light, basically.

Dwarkesh Podcast
AGI is Still 30 Years Away β€” Ege Erdil & Tamay Besiroglu

Like it's extremely destructive.