Tanya Mosley

What was the ignition that really set off this effort? Really, it seems like over the last five years or so.

What was the ignition that really set off this effort? Really, it seems like over the last five years or so.

I'm really interested in how private companies, many of them are preemptively doing away with their DEI initiatives. And I would guess that some of them receive subsidies from the U.S. government, and that is probably why they're taking these steps. But Dr. Washington, you have often worked directly within the private sector with companies, knowing kind of those internal conversations.

I'm really interested in how private companies, many of them are preemptively doing away with their DEI initiatives. And I would guess that some of them receive subsidies from the U.S. government, and that is probably why they're taking these steps. But Dr. Washington, you have often worked directly within the private sector with companies, knowing kind of those internal conversations.

I'm really interested in how private companies, many of them are preemptively doing away with their DEI initiatives. And I would guess that some of them receive subsidies from the U.S. government, and that is probably why they're taking these steps. But Dr. Washington, you have often worked directly within the private sector with companies, knowing kind of those internal conversations.

What do you make of some of those preemptive strikes to do away with DEI initiatives?

What do you make of some of those preemptive strikes to do away with DEI initiatives?

What do you make of some of those preemptive strikes to do away with DEI initiatives?

How effective do you think economic boycotts are? There was one that just happened just this past Friday. We'll learn in the next few days the outcomes of those. But people are trying to show their beliefs through their wallets. Historically, how successful has something like that been?

How effective do you think economic boycotts are? There was one that just happened just this past Friday. We'll learn in the next few days the outcomes of those. But people are trying to show their beliefs through their wallets. Historically, how successful has something like that been?

How effective do you think economic boycotts are? There was one that just happened just this past Friday. We'll learn in the next few days the outcomes of those. But people are trying to show their beliefs through their wallets. Historically, how successful has something like that been?

Like what?

Like what?

Like what?

One thing that I want to note is we're not only seeing the reversal of DEI in many sectors, but DEIA, which also includes accessibility for disabled people. That has been much less of a headline. But what are you two noticing on that front? Dr. Dobbin?

One thing that I want to note is we're not only seeing the reversal of DEI in many sectors, but DEIA, which also includes accessibility for disabled people. That has been much less of a headline. But what are you two noticing on that front? Dr. Dobbin?

One thing that I want to note is we're not only seeing the reversal of DEI in many sectors, but DEIA, which also includes accessibility for disabled people. That has been much less of a headline. But what are you two noticing on that front? Dr. Dobbin?

Our guests today are Professors Frank Dobbin of Harvard University and Ella Washington of Georgetown. Our conversation was recorded on Monday. More after a short break. I'm Tanya Mosley, and this is Fresh Air.

Our guests today are Professors Frank Dobbin of Harvard University and Ella Washington of Georgetown. Our conversation was recorded on Monday. More after a short break. I'm Tanya Mosley, and this is Fresh Air.

Our guests today are Professors Frank Dobbin of Harvard University and Ella Washington of Georgetown. Our conversation was recorded on Monday. More after a short break. I'm Tanya Mosley, and this is Fresh Air.