Tara Stoinski

They have to like sneak it in.

Yeah, sneaky, sneaky.

And actually what's really interesting, so Cansby and Titus, another male that a movie was made out of, they remained dominant in their group.

But for the last eight years, they didn't actually sire offspring.

Again, so it went Pablo to Cansby, Cansby to Titus,

And that's kind of where the modern-day story starts.

In this movie, Gitirasi's the dominant male.

And he was siring all the offspring for the last five, six, seven years of Cansby's life.

But Cansby was totally still dominant.

The elder statesman was very well respected.

The females really bonded around him.

I think one of the things this movie shows and we see is that we think a lot about the males and gorillas because they have all that size and strength.

But alliances, and particularly who the females like and who they follow and who they support,

plays a much bigger role in guerrilla society than I think we initially realized 40 years ago.

Wow, interesting.

It's about the ladies.

I know.

And these are actually the easy Kinyarwanda names.

Some of them are like 27 letters long.

We were really lucky.