Tara Stoinski

It's funny because coming in, I'm like, okay, what kind of questions is Dax going to ask me, right?

Because I remember hearing when you talk about Chimp Empire a lot when it was on, and I told James Reed, I was like, James, you should go on the show and talk because I know that he really has enjoyed Chimp Empire.

It's interesting because we've had one other male

that had a similar type of situation.

He actually killed four adult males.

Whoa.

Because normally males can die in fights, but usually they're not killed.

They get injured and then they get an infection and they die from that, but they're not killed outright.

But this male figured out kind of how to go for the jugular.

Ah, literally.

And so these males would bleed out very, very quickly.

And what's interesting in thinking about both of them is they both had some significant childhood trauma.

So, Guiraneza, who was the male who killed a bunch of other males, he was actually with Pablo.

And Pablo was badly, badly wounded in a fight and died from that fight.

So, he was kind of Pablo's right-hand man.

So, he saw Pablo get very badly wounded and die.

And Fora was caught in a snare, which can be very, very traumatic.

When he was quite young, he was caught in a snare.

His mom lived, but his mom died when he was about 12, but he had a much younger brother who was three and a half who then he had to raise.

So I think it's interesting, like what could early life experiences, what role might that play?