Taylor Lorenz
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18 recordings
9 series
first heard Dec 2024
last heard 10 Jul
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care about deeply that were there for me during like really critical parts of my life that I will always like care about and value that ultimately I realized they have like crazy and terrible opinions on things. And I think if you have a kid with someone too, like the sentiments change and everything.
And I mean, this is why, and I hate too that so many women, because so many women and more progressive women too are stuck with more bigoted men. Like I feel like we hear about that a lot, at least rather than the other way around. And the woman is chastised. And it's always like, how could you be with this monster? How could you do this?
And it's like, you don't know what they're getting from that relationship. You don't know. And yes, it would be great to have a moral high ground and all this stuff. But it's just like life is so much more complicated and messy than that. And human beings are more complicated. And even though you're right, he probably was never a leftist in any sense of the word. He's always been a union buster.
Billionaires are inherently, I would say, pretty evil. But I do think that he was a different person in 2018 than he is now.
Also, it's like if you're with somebody like that, who's like a narcissist or the love-loving stuff, you always want to get back to that point. You always believe, I think, that that is the person that they truly are. And this is just some aberrant behavior, but like, hey, just get back. Why can't this man return to the man that I knew? And as you said, it was always a mirage.
Or maybe she was overlooking a lot of things. People are like, well, how could she have more children? And it's like, again, maybe... He is love bombing him. You believe, you believe that that initial version of the person that you met is always going to be that person.
Yeah. And it just goes back to also, I just have to say again, too, what I said before, which is that you don't know what a relationship is like until you're in it. Women especially are taught to compartmentalize and to, as everything that Kat said earlier, it's like you're pressured, especially once you have a child, to be together and to fix it.
And if that guy keeps giving you, which it sounds like he does, it's like he's such a manipulator. He's giving these women, especially Grimes, these tastes of him as they once knew him when they met.
I think what we see is as Elon starts to get radicalized, you start to see Grimes' politics evolve as well. And you also see her start to talk quite negatively about the media and to fight with the media. In 2021, she does this photo shoot where she's kind of trying to troll the media, where she's dressed up in this like... Typical Grimes kind of crazy outfit.
And then she's reading the Communist Manifesto. And this is when she was getting a lot of media criticism for being with Elon and enabling him because 2021 is when he really kicked off like the really awful transphobic stuff and just sort of started to make his more extreme beliefs more publicly known. And so you see her kind of feeding against that.
People were like, Oh my God, like, is she sending a message or what is this? But I think I started to see signs of like resentment of the media and like resentment of her public image. And you see her also starting to fight more with people in the replies.
Like people will say something to her and she's like, well, that's not, you know, you don't understand what's going on or, you know, like she's clearly frustrated and, I've written so much about this and I've experienced it myself.
When you see false information about yourself publicly or when you feel like part of your story is not being told or you're being chastised in the media, it is such a radicalizing force. I do think with her... she probably felt, I don't want to say persecuted, but I do think that she felt this resentment.
And that resentment, if you start to go down that road, you are fed into the right wing pipeline. The right is so good at taking that resentment and being like, you're right. You're right. And by the way, the media is evil. And by the way, all these people canceling you are evil. See what I mean? Woke people will turn on you. And so you see her starting to affiliate with more of these like
counterculture. These right-wing extremists, that's what they are. I don't want to excuse it. It's bad. It's lazy. She shouldn't do this. You should recognize like, okay, these people are also grifting off me. They also will throw me under the bus the minute I'm not politically expedient. But when you're feeling lonely, which I imagine she was, you're feeling completely isolated.
And then also endearing yourself to these far-right radicals also kind of endears herself to Elon, who's increasingly in those circles. I just see how that she started to go down that path.
She also starts to like physically hang out with these people. Yeah.
Because following, I don't want to be the follow police. Because I really... You follow everyone. Drives me insane. Because I write about right-wing influencers. Of course, I follow them. I monitor everything they do. And every day, I have some new person in my DMs. Why do you follow this person? I'm like, well, I write about them.
What's way more concerning to me, and I do think that you can deduce a certain amount of information about someone from the people that they follow because you can tell kind of their information diet, but she also starts to hang out with these people socially.
We did study history. That's the problem.
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