Terrence

But what you're saying is really interesting, is that you have to turn your fucking life around.

Yeah.

Well, I would say the way you described yourself earlier on would be toxic masculinity, but because... So let's get some... So, violence.

Well, I think you're a prime example of that, Bob.

I'm just sitting here thinking about your whole story in the couple of hours we're at the chatting here, and I'm thinking, you don't have the answer to say that, but if you could go back and speak to yourself back then when you were a manic and living the life you are living, or if you could leave a message to anybody out there living a similar life at the moment, or any young lad out there, what would you say to them?

I ask you that question solely because I think that there are so many lads out there and men out there who are going to listen to this podcast now and go, he's got to turn his life around in a really positive way.

And you're so articulate in telling your story, but also in what you're trying to do now since you got out.

And I think there's so many people who look up to you and go, I can actually do that.

So that's why I say to you, what would you say to anybody out there that's in that kind of rut?

Bob, I'd listen to you all day.

And I actually think you need to do a podcast.

Like, you know, and then just fucking run them up.

Because I feel like we could sit here for another six hours, I'd say, easily.

And just keep chatting and chatting and chatting.

But I think it's been...

Brilliant to just sit here and listen to you about your life and where you're at now.

I don't know.

I'm really enjoying the last couple of hours.

I think it was brilliant.

I need to thank you for coming in.