Terry Gross

I don't know how relevant it is, but the same general who is running the violent crackdown against the protesters, he's the same person who'd be running the war if there is one.

Do you think that the military leaders, including Dan Cain, chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, are concerned about Trump being commander-in-chief at a very volatile, dangerous time like this?

He isn't consulting Congress, so there's no limits that he's allowing to be put on his power to declare war and to shape the kind of war that it is.

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Let's talk about who is running the diplomacy, who's representing the U.S.

in diplomatic efforts.

It's not Secretary of State Marco Rubio, as far as I can tell.

It's Jared Kushner, who doesn't even have a position within the Trump administration, but he is the president's son-in-law.

And Steve Woodcoff, who...

His background is big deals in real estate and finance.

And Jared as well, I mean, he played a role in diplomacy in the Abraham Accords, but he doesn't have a diplomacy background.

And they both have conflicts of interest in the Middle East.

I love that headline, by the way.

What about Marco Rubio, the Secretary of State?

Where is he on this?

What about J.D.

Vance?