Terry Gross

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or read her migrant memoir, which is about fighting ICE to protect her father.

It's called Here We Are.

Now that I've introduced Arthie, here she is with Lubna Mirai.

We're listening to guest interviewer Arthi Shahani's interview with activist and journalist Lubna Mirai about her new book, Defiance, a memoir of awakening, rebellion, and survival in Syria.

We'll hear more of the interview after a break.

I'm Terry Gross, and this is Fresh Air.

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I'm Terry Gross.

Let's get back to our interview with photojournalist and activist Lubna Mirai, who's now living in exile in the United States.

Her new book is called Defiance, a memoir of awakening, rebellion and survival in Syria.

Her father was part of Syria's al-Assad regime, but when the Arab Spring began, she joined the movement against the regime.

In the book, she takes a very personal approach to the Syrian civil war and tries to make sense of how her family and country fell apart, perhaps for similar reasons.

Mariah had to learn to hold a camera steady as civilians, including children, fled snipers and barrel bombs.

She also talks about grappling with alcoholism and reluctantly making New York City her home.

She spoke with guest interviewer, Arthur Shahani.

We're listening to our guest interviewer, Arthi Shahani, speaking with Labna Mirai, author of the new book, Defiance, a memoir of awakening, rebellion, and survival in Syria.

Mirai is a photojournalist.

They'll continue the conversation after a short break.

This is Fresh Air.