Tim Dillon

And I remember this very well.

And he was talking to me and he goes, they don't want people to own houses.

So that blew my mind when I was, you know, maybe 19.

18 or 19, you hear that.

Because by the way, you got to remember, I'm a mortgage guy at that time.

And this guy goes, they don't want people to own houses.

They don't want, he goes, long-term, that doesn't serve people owning homes.

He goes, so he goes, he said to me, he goes, everyone's going to lose all of these houses.

And I was like, hey, kind of agree with you.

People are going to lose.

And I was losing mine.

I was like, I was about to.

I hadn't lost it yet, but I could totally understand.

He goes, you know, he goes, and he goes, they really want you to own cars.

He goes, they want eventually an economy where everybody kind of rents and leases things.

He goes, because at that point, you know, people are more easily steered from one thing to the next.

And again, it was a fascinating conversation.

I was 20 years old, 19 years old, something like that.

And I said, who are these people?

You know, I didn't, you know, I said, who are they, these people?