Tim Dillon

And he goes, it's...

It's not any one group of people that you could point to and say, like, these people, you know, it's not 12 guys in a room.

He goes, it's a bunch of people.

You have no idea who the fuck they are.

And he goes, they work very hard to prevent you from knowing who they are.

And I said, is it like an intelligence agencies?

And he goes, he goes, the intelligence agencies, like the CIA and stuff like that, he goes, they're not at the top of the tier of the intelligence agencies.

I go, really?

He goes, yeah.

He goes, because you know what they are.

Because you know what the CIA is.

He goes, there's levels above that.

And I thought that was very interesting.

But he goes, no, it's not that.

He goes, it's just, he goes, you know, it doesn't serve...

A lot of people, he goes, if you own your home and you're not in a lot of debt and you have a lot of power, there's a lot of power to that.

And he goes, people are not easily steered in that thing.

He goes, people want people loaded up with debt.

They want them renting.

And he goes, they eventually just don't even want them to own automobiles.