Tim Ferriss

And I don't agree with him on everything, but Terry Real is his name.

He's got to be one of the highest paid couples therapists in the world.

He has to be.

But he has a number of books.

There's an audiobook.

It doesn't even have a print version called Fierce Intimacy that I really recommend people listen to.

So they have a toolkit for communicating in intimate relationships.

Because I don't think men and women were ever meant to spend as much time together as they do now.

That's a very unnatural situation, I think.

And as a result, we need tools that we did not historically need.

And I think Terry is very good at providing a toolkit for modern relationships.

But one of his tenets is like, there's no place for objective reality in most relationship disputes.

And he gives this example of like, husband and wife go out to dinner.

Waiter comes over to take the order.

Waiter leaves and the husband's like, honey, you don't have to yell.

And she's like, what?

I wasn't yelling.

And he's like, no, you were yelling.

And then so it turns into one of these things, right?

It starts to spiral out.